words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 18:01 (#2012-3828)

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1words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 06:01 (#2012-3826)michellegibson88@hotmail.co.uk
2words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 06:01 (#2012-3826)yasdaz17@fastmail.fm
3Last Bee Gee reveals rift with brotheryasdaz17@fastmail.fm
4Last Bee Gee reveals rift with brothermyka@qdots.net
5words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 06:01 (#2012-3826)myka@qdots.net
6Last Bee Gee reveals rift with brothermyka@qdots.net
7Last Bee Gee reveals rift with brotherlagerg@aol.com
8words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 06:01 (#2012-3826)cmathis@brothersgibb.com
Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:21:52 +0000 From: Michelle Gibson <michellegibson88@hotmail.co.uk> Subject: RE: words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 06:01 (#2012-3826) I understand that, that's why I said "leaving Cindy aside". Apart from that post, I can't think of anyone else on this list who could be accurately said to "hate" Barry. Michelle > From: yakima1@hotmail.com > To: words@brothersgibb.com > Subject: [words] words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 06:01 (#2012-3826) > Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 08:00:51 -0800 >=20 > =20 > Also, I think 'hater' is a fair term to describe someone who publicly says they find Barry repulsive. Doesn't sound like a fan to me. > =20 > =20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com=20 >=20 > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. =20 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:27:55 -0800 From: Yasmine Ghulamali <yasdaz17@fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 06:01 (#2012-3826) I am sorry, Yakima, I would have loved to seen that post. Do you still=20 have it? Would you be willing to post it again or rewrite it if you=20 don't have it saved? As for the topic at hand, I am sorry that you feel=20 that way and I can understand your frustration. I, for one, would love=20 for as many different views as possible to be expressed, as long as the=20 posts are respectful and thoughtful. Luckily, for the most part, in this=20 list there has been a respectful atmosphere. Anyway, for anyone who is=20 lurking but wants to say something, please go ahead. I think, Yakima,=20 that you are not alone in your sentiments and it would be nice for you=20 and the list, if more opinions were heard. Please try to post that=20 original post you talked about! And yes, Cindy's comments were, in my=20 opinion, not expressed well. I would love for her to revise her=20 language and post again (if she wishes). Yasmine On 12/14/2012 8:00 AM, Yakima Canutt wrote: > Several months back I had typed up a huge post about the perceived Barry/ Robin divide expressing my frustration and confusion over what appears to me to be excessive Barry critisicm on the list. It was a long piece where I was just trying to work thro > =20 > Also, I think 'hater' is a fair term to describe someone who publicly says they find Barry repulsive. Doesn't sound like a fan to me. > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > >> From: michellegibson88@hotmail.co.uk >> To: words@brothersgibb.com >> Subject: [words] words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 06:01 (#2012-3826) >> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 13:49:32 +0000 >> >> >> Leaving Cindy aside, I don't think anyone else on this list can accurately be described as a Barry 'hater'. And apart from Cindy's message, there haven't been any posts that I feel have been really cruel or nasty or overly negative about Barry. Some ha > ually exclusive. Michelle >>> From: yakima1@hotmail.com >>> To: words@brothersgibb.com >>> Subject: [words] words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 06:01 (#2012-3826) >>> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:38:58 -0800 >>> >>> I, and I assume some others on this list, really have a hard time understanding where the likes of you Barry haters are coming from. It's like the political divide in this country. The divide among the "two sides" here is the unpleasant part of being >>> "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) >>> http://www.brothersgibb.com >>> >>> To change any of your list options, >>> please go to website listed above. >> >> >> "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) >> http://www.brothersgibb.com >> >> To change any of your list options, >> please go to website listed above. > =09 > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 09:38:53 -0800 From: Yasmine Ghulamali <yasdaz17@fastmail.fm> Subject: Re: Last Bee Gee reveals rift with brother Okay, I have to ask, why would Barry not have a number to reach Robin directly? Now, if he did and Robin did not reply, that is one thing but not having his direct number seems a bit odd to me (not knowing how these high flying celebrities organize their lives, lol!). Again, if Barry could not get through Robin's advisers, that is ultimately Robin's fault for not giving him what he should have had in the beginning, which is a direct way to reach him. And yes, there were various points, including when Robin's diagnosis was first officially confirmed, when Barry flew over, if only for a little while (not sure why he never stayed more than a couple of days, it seems, but anyway...) from what I remember. So it is not as if he did not get the chance to at least snatch a couple of minutes with Robin to at least ask if he had gotten his messages, etc... but I am not sure what happened about their communication during those visits; perhaps there was too much to work through to even try? I agree he seems to be trying to work through a lot of confusion and hurt and I am sorry for him, it must be very hard, to say the least. However, I, for one, don't need to hear Barry's opinion except as expressed as an opinion, not as fact. To me that has been the problem with at least some of Barry's recent comments. I still understand that he is going through something I could not begin to fathom and I feel for him. It is the worst when you can't resolve issues because of death; it is hard to get closure. Yasmine On 12/13/2012 9:01 PM, DIANNA JOHNSON wrote: > It seems that Barry did try to contact Robin as he had said and he wasn't given a call back. I have to wonder if Robin even had recieved those messsages that Barry had called him. I fully believe that Barry and Barbara were kept out of the loop as to Ro > > > > ________________________________ > From: "Compoccias@aol.com" > To: words List Member > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:41 PM > Subject: [words] Last Bee Gee reveals rift with brother > >> In a message dated 12/12/2012 3:56:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > myka@qdots.net writes: > >> Hello Sal, >>> I hate to say it, but the more he comments on Robin the less he sounds > like a >>> grieving brother and more like someone who is unloading bottled up > emotions >>> and opinions. >> But I think "to unload bottled up emotions and opinions" would >> be exactly what a grieving brother would do if he lost his >> brother with whom he had had a complex relationship (as in the >> case of Barry with Robin) AND communication problem. It seems he >> is trying to speculate a lot, trying to come to terms with >> things now that he can no longer ask the brother. >> Best, >> Kate > Yes. Quite true Kate. Yet it still remains a bit of a mystery as to what > happened between Barry & Robin in those last months (years). > > Sal > > > > > > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 05:54:55 +0900 From: Kate <myka@qdots.net> Subject: Re: Last Bee Gee reveals rift with brother Hello Yasmine, > at least they > seemed to be able to pull it together publicly for the funeral. But judging from the graveside pictures, there was very little interaction between two parties. > See, whenever I heard Barry say it was about the people around > Robin, I figured he was either lying to not make the situation worse by > directly nailing Robin or was in denial because who was it that chose > those people in the first place? I mean I have not heard of Robin > easily being taken advantage of in general, which is Barry's > implication. I myself feel otherwise. Robin clearly had trouble coping with the practical aspects of life. And IMO a lot of troubles in his life stemmed from this inability of his. I think it was a double-edged sword. It kept him the artist he was, but it made him very vulnerable in many ways. Kate Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:00:25 +0900 From: Kate <myka@qdots.net> Subject: Re: words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 06:01 (#2012-3826) Barbara was over in England for Christmas last year and helped Robin to cope with the last major chemotherapy he had to go through, I think. But whether Barbara and Barry and also Robin were actually kept abreast of the exact nature or state of his illness, I am not really sure. From what Dwina has said in one of her recent interviews, I got the impression that Robin did not know. At least he was never told. And from what Barry has said, it seems he did not know, either. Kate "Toni Quintana" wrote: > "I fully believe that Barry and Barbara were kept out of the loop as to > Robins health no doubt in my mind. If they had known they would have gone to > England staright away to see what they could have done to help" > > If I remember well there is a photo of Barry and Linda in The ^Rebendal last > Christmas, they went to visit to visit Robin, so Barry Knew about the health > issues. For Barbara..., I can understand if Robin had not said a word to > her. > > Toni. > > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 06:05:24 +0900 From: Kate <myka@qdots.net> Subject: Re: Last Bee Gee reveals rift with brother Hello Yasmine, I don't think there was a direct number where Robin could be reached. I understand he had his mobile phone, but that too was very often not administered by him. Robin once told me that they had a very strange system where he was given different numbers at different times and in those cases he didn't know his own number. Over the years I've heard many people complain about this difficulty of reaching Robin, especially in the last months because at that time very understandably Robin was not in control of anything. So I think it quite possible that even Barry had a communication problem. Best, Kate Yasmine Ghulamali wrote: > Okay, I have to ask, why would Barry not have a number to reach Robin > directly? Now, if he did and Robin did not reply, that is one thing but > not having his direct number seems a bit odd to me (not knowing how > these high flying celebrities organize their lives, lol!). Again, if > Barry could not get through Robin's advisers, that is ultimately Robin's > fault for not giving him what he should have had in the beginning, which > is a direct way to reach him. And yes, there were various points, > including when Robin's diagnosis was first officially confirmed, when > Barry flew over, if only for a little while (not sure why he never > stayed more than a couple of days, it seems, but anyway...) from what I > remember. So it is not as if he did not get the chance to at least > snatch a couple of minutes with Robin to at least ask if he had gotten > his messages, etc... but I am not sure what happened about their > communication during those visits; perhaps there was too much to work > through to even try? I agree he seems to be trying to work through a > lot of confusion and hurt and I am sorry for him, it must be very hard, > to say the least. However, I, for one, don't need to hear Barry's > opinion except as expressed as an opinion, not as fact. To me that has > been the problem with at least some of Barry's recent comments. I still > understand that he is going through something I could not begin to > fathom and I feel for him. It is the worst when you can't resolve > issues because of death; it is hard to get closure. Yasmine > On 12/13/2012 9:01 PM, DIANNA JOHNSON wrote: > > It seems that Barry did try to contact Robin as he had said and he wasn't given a call back. I have to wonder if Robin even had recieved those messsages that Barry had called him. I fully believe that Barry and Barbara were kept out of the loop as to > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: "Compoccias@aol.com" > > To: words List Member > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:41 PM > > Subject: [words] Last Bee Gee reveals rift with brother > > > >> In a message dated 12/12/2012 3:56:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > > myka@qdots.net writes: > > > >> Hello Sal, > >>> I hate to say it, but the more he comments on Robin the less he sounds > > like a > >>> grieving brother and more like someone who is unloading bottled up > > emotions > >>> and opinions. > >> But I think "to unload bottled up emotions and opinions" would > >> be exactly what a grieving brother would do if he lost his > >> brother with whom he had had a complex relationship (as in the > >> case of Barry with Robin) AND communication problem. It seems he > >> is trying to speculate a lot, trying to come to terms with > >> things now that he can no longer ask the brother. > >> Best, > >> Kate > > Yes. Quite true Kate. Yet it still remains a bit of a mystery as to what > > happened between Barry & Robin in those last months (years). > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > > > To change any of your list options, > > please go to website listed above. > > > > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > > > To change any of your list options, > > please go to website listed above. > > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:08:26 -0500 (EST) From: Lagerg <lagerg@aol.com> Subject: Re: Last Bee Gee reveals rift with brother I agree Kate-that is why Barry had to be the one to deal with all these matters for his brothers. I do not think Maurice was especially capable of taking care of these business type matters due to his personal situation. Andy was so young so he relied to Lagerg lagerg@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:11:32 -0500 From: "Chris Mathis" <cmathis@brothersgibb.com> Subject: RE: words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 06:01 (#2012-3826) >The long post didn't make it through to the list.... probably too big. I took that as a sign that it wasn't meant to go through. Please feel free to resend in multiple emails End words@brothersgibb.com message digest 12/14/2012 18:01 (#2012-3828)