(#2002-3166) - Topics this issue: 1) SV: Digest (10/18/2002 18:01) (#2002-3154), 2) Production Styles, 3) Symphonic productions, 4) C flat versus B, 5) Maurice, 6) Why compare?, 7) Mo-riceeee!, 8) Are we really fans?, 9) Mo-riceeee!, 10) Are we really fans?, 11) Robin Solo, 12) Robin Solo, 13) Robin's album, 14) Digest (10/11/2002 00:02) (#2002-3123), 15) Digest (10/11/2002 12:01) (#2002-3125), 16) One DID read the whole e-mail before...., 17) Love and Hope Ball?, 18) Love and Hope Ball?, 19) Rules For The List?, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:55:10 +0200 From: "Plaza Online" Subject: SV: SV: Digest (10/18/2002 18:01) (#2002-3154) Personally I prefer either the perfect Barry/Karbhy productions or the simple live sound of Here at Last. Actually I think they have a fantastic live sound when not using tapes. I don't like the in between stuff so much. Per -----Oprindelig meddelelse----- Fra: ListMember@brothersgibb.com [mailto:ListMember@brothersgibb.com]Pa vegne af Joseph Brennan Sendt: 21. oktober 2002 15:52 Til: words List Member Emne: Re: SV: Digest (10/18/2002 18:01) (#2002-3154) > I had the feeling that (Especially Barry) did not have the > energy to spend 1 or 2 month in the studio to produce one single track. Where I was going with good thing and bad thing was to question this whole idea. Another way of producing is to get a very clear faithful recording that sounds like a live session. The VH1 Storytellers tracks show how good they sound with this type of production. Barry's "solo" tracks on TIWICI approach this idea, with a larger band than Storytellers. I was once very much a fan of the elaborate productions, but not so much now. Joe Brennan "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb http://www.brothersgibb.com To change any of your list options, please go to website listed above. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 12:12:34 -0400 From: Joseph Brennan Subject: RE: Production Styles -Douglas E Wilson wrote: > However, a concert and a recording are two different > animals which should produce two different effects. A recording is meant to > be listened to over and over. Heh, that's why I said "sounds like a live session". I expect actually to find parts overdubbed. But not lots of things flying in and out of the mix, rather a small number of instruments and voices with some space around them. One Barry voice at a time, for example. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:24:54 GMT+01:00 From: robin-alexis@talk21.com Subject: Symphonic productions Great post Doug about how much is going on in Spirits. There are two schools of thought. I know there are those who would sight this "over-production" as a turn-off. These same people may feel that the the rawness of TIWICI is more bearable. I, however, have always found the perfection of Spirits (and also Like you I try to listen to focus in on something different each time. I've had Spirits for about twenty years now and I've still not exhausted it. Order copies of Ordinary People, the new Bee Gees tribute album with a difference: www.tophatevents.co.uk/tribute.html -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:26:31 GMT+01:00 From: robin-alexis@talk21.com Subject: C flat versus B To whomever posted that (s)he couldn't tell the difference between C flat and B. Don't worry about it. They're the same! Kilburn Towers Order copies of Ordinary People, the new Bee Gees tribute album with a difference: www.tophatevents.co.uk/tribute.html -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:31:27 GMT+01:00 From: robin-alexis@talk21.com Subject: Maurice Maurice is not a trained pianist and doesn't have the signature guitar playing that Barry has. Personally, I think he was at his best when he played bass, especially in Main Course and Children of the World. But I also like some of his stuff in Trafalgar (listen to the end of Walking back to Waterloo). One of the reasons why Maurice was relegated to 4th guitarist in the Spririts tour might be because he was not in his best state of health during that time. (Note that the album itself actually has two bass players listed). I think that Maurice does a good job in holding Barry and Robin together. But to expect to have three of the greatest ever artists in one group would be pushing it. Kilburn Towers Order copies of Ordinary People, the new Bee Gees tribute album with a difference: www.tophatevents.co.uk/tribute.html -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 19:34:36 +0100 From: "Maggie Bleksley" Subject: Why compare? > Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:07:24 +1000 > From: "Shangri-La" > Subject: Why compare? > > As for my opinion on Maurice's voice... I actually love it. It's not heard > enough, I'll say that. He has good pitch, and style, and IMO, if any > limitations are > evident, they stem solely from his personality, not his voice. He > under-rates himself -- and if he does it, then people around him will also > do it. > Hear hear. I think what Julie says just about sums it up. I have the 'Tales' box and in the booklet that comes with it, one or other of the brothers makes a comment about each song. Of 'Railroad', Maurice says: "My first and last attempt at going solo. Without my brothers, ANTICLIMATIC." Of course, this was long before TIWICI, in which he has, fortunately had a change of heart. Personally, I always prefer tracks which include all three of them, but, as a long-time fan of folky-type music I think 'Railroad' is a great song and it's a pity he didn't have the confidence to do more like that. Trouble is, having two brothers with such wonderful singing voices, and Robin's confidence to carry off some of his more eccentric lyrics, Maurice's musical talents tend to go unnoticed. I have already mentioned 'How Old Are You', which I have learnt from reliable sources, was actually a joint venture between Robin and Maurice, but who gets all the credit? Robin's performance on here is IMHO birlliant, but he doesn't play any musical instruments, whereas Maurice plays several and they wrote most of the songs together. Similarly, I enjoy most of the tracks on 'Cucumber Castle', but, much as I love Barry's voice, it wouldn't have been the same withouth Maurice's harmonies. They are three different people and nearly all their most popular performances have included all three working as a team. Think of a cheesecake, with delicious, guey creamy filling, a fantastic fruit topping - but where would you be without that base that holds it all together;o) Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 15:04:13 EDT From: PROPASSMAX@cs.com Subject: Re: Mo-riceeee! I know that I seldom speak out , however with the ecption of a few, either those that are musicians or, critics, it appears that you all are very critical. Are you really fans? Sincerely Maxine ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 14:27:57 -0500 From: "Douglas E Wilson" Subject: RE: Are we really fans? Maxine, really and sincerely wondering: > I know that I seldom speak out , however with the ecption of a > few, either those that are musicians or, critics, it appears that > you all are very critical. Are you really fans? Sincerely Maxine Uh oh, it's the "Are you really fans?" reaction rearing its' ugly head. The answer to that, I suggest, is a resounding "Yes". Why else would we be here . . . to discuss, er um, the sizes of anatomical parts (I see Mrs. Fini has rejoined the list)? You know, for those who want strictly fawning, PR type stuff, there are plenty of other sources available for that. Some of us find it interesting to discuss, debate, even challenge each other on what we like and don't like. If we can stick the needle to someone while doing it, so much the better. With an occasional exception, it's all in fun. It's amazing to me that, more often than not, those who want to complain about other's posts to this mailing list are the ones who seldom contribute anything in the first place. Doug (wondering if anyone subscribes to the theory that Mo had hitched himself to Billy Lawrie's coattails during the Bee Gees breakup?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 21:11:30 +0100 From: "Linda" Subject: Re: Mo-riceeee! Give me a break ! It's a harmless discussion and surely the purpose of this list. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "words List Member" Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 8:04 PM Subject: Re: Mo-riceeee! > I know that I seldom speak out , however with the ecption of a few, either > those that are musicians or, critics, it appears that you all are very > critical. Are you really fans? Sincerely Maxine > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:17:31 -0400 From: Joseph Brennan Subject: RE: Are we really fans? Maxine asks the musical question, >> I know that I seldom speak out , however with the ecption of a >> few, either those that are musicians or, critics, it appears that >> you all are very critical. Are you really fans? It's the proof. Who but fans would care enough? Joe Brennan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:33:22 EDT From: Artsypooh@aol.com Subject: Re: Robin Solo --part1_14.82a2c1.2ae5be92_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/11/02 8:58:04 PM Central Daylight Time, bgfan@sympatico.ca writes: > They will stop touring one day, yes, but they will > never stop making music. I bet they're getting their individual projects > out of their system while waiting for a new recording deal to be finalized. > Anne, I certainly hope you are right. Your reasoning is valid. I agree that they will never stop making music and I hope they will never stop sharing it with us. Patty --part1_14.82a2c1.2ae5be92_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:34:52 EDT From: Artsypooh@aol.com Subject: Re: Robin Solo --part1_b0.2e30e07a.2ae5beec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/11/02 9:05:15 PM Central Daylight Time, bgfan@sympatico.ca writes: > Just chill out, and buy the > > album when it comes out, revel in the beauty of it, love Robin a little > bit > > more, then come over here and wait for the next page in the sagas of the > > brothers Gibb! :o) > A good plan. Patty --part1_b0.2e30e07a.2ae5beec_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:39:49 EDT From: Artsypooh@aol.com Subject: Re: Robin's album --part1_192.f5e0757.2ae5c015_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/11/02 9:18:10 PM Central Daylight Time, bgfan@sympatico.ca writes: > I'm stunned, Roberta; I love the album and esp. the title song. I think the > whole thing was a masterpiece and will never understand why it flopped. > > Anne > > Anne, I loved TIWICI, too. I don't like to think that it flopped...I prefer to think that it was intended for the loyal, die hard supporters who rushed right out and swept the store shelves clean! LOL! I can't help it...I try to always see the glass as half full. The songs make me tap my toes and sing along so, to me, it is a great success! ;o) :o) Patty (who taps her toes and sees the world through rosy tinted glasses by choice) --part1_192.f5e0757.2ae5c015_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:47:33 EDT From: Artsypooh@aol.com Subject: Re: Digest (10/11/2002 00:02) (#2002-3123) --part1_14a.1630d701.2ae5c1e5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/11/02 9:41:04 PM Central Daylight Time, rfp@total.net writes: > Marcee is very new to this List, and as she is going through a very > > rough time at the moment, I'm sure she didn't realise she should ask for > > responses to be sent privately. Hmmmm...catching up a bit here. Comparitively speaking, I'm fairly new to this list, too. I had no idea that responses should have been sent privately. I know that there are "common sense" rules for this list but what is "common sense" to one may be not quite so common to another. Is there a place where the rules of this list may be found? I'm not being facetious or sarcastic. I really think a listing of rules defining what is and is not acceptable on this list would be a good idea. Just my opinion. Patty --part1_14a.1630d701.2ae5c1e5_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:51:39 EDT From: Artsypooh@aol.com Subject: Re: Digest (10/11/2002 12:01) (#2002-3125) --part1_f2.23a5e41d.2ae5c2db_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/12/02 3:06:40 AM Central Daylight Time, LawrenceFulham@aol.com writes: > > I've been on this list for ages, and I've often wondered but never asked. > > Are > > there other Christians here > > no > Brian > Well now, that's not very nice! Patty (who doesn't know how to make a shocked smilie face with her keyboard-lol) --part1_f2.23a5e41d.2ae5c2db_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:17:32 EDT From: Artsypooh@aol.com Subject: Re: One DID read the whole e-mail before.... --part1_36.2fa7898c.2ae5c8ec_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/12/02 2:32:20 PM Central Daylight Time, elisa3bg@akithiweitp.fsnet.co.uk writes: > I'm sure it'll be pukka From the context I'm guessing that "pukka" is something good. Would someone explain this term to me? Patty (a dumb American) --part1_36.2fa7898c.2ae5c8ec_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:20:12 -0400 From: Celesteram@aol.com Subject: Love and Hope Ball? Just checking to see if anyone knows when this will take place next? Isn't it usually in the spring? Celeste ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 22:29:48 +0100 From: "Linda" Subject: Re: Love and Hope Ball? February next year ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "words List Member" Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 10:20 PM Subject: Love and Hope Ball? > Just checking to see if anyone knows when this will take place next? Isn't it usually in the spring? > > Celeste > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 16:32:46 -0500 From: "Douglas E Wilson" Subject: RE: Rules For The List? Artsy Patty, catching up on things: > Hmmmm...catching up a bit here. Comparitively speaking, I'm > fairly new to this list, too. I had no idea that responses should > have been sent privately. I know that there are "common sense" > rules for this list but what is "common sense" to one may be not > quite so common to another. Is there a place where the rules > of this list may be found? I'm not being facetious or sarcastic. I > really think a listing of rules defining what is and is not > acceptable on this list would be a good idea. Just my opinion. The problem with defining what is and is not acceptable is that it can't ever handle every possible situation. A few suggestions to newcomers (and old-timers), however, would include: (1) Consider waiting a few weeks after subscribing before posting. That gives you time to get a feel for the different personalities on the list as well as the ebb and flow of the discussions. (2) Read all of the posts in your inbox before sending a reply to any one post. This is especially considerate if you're catching up on several weeks worth of material. Chances are, if you're responding on the 21st to something that was posted on the 11th, that discussion has run its' course and the list has moved on to other topics. This is especially true if you feel the need to respond to a list controversy. Just when Chris thinks he's gotten a situation under control, invariably a week or two later someone will chime in with their two cents worth on whether a topic under the category "phallic paraphernalia" is appropriate. While you may have something to contribute, sometimes you've just got to say to yourself "Sorry I missed out on that one" and let it go. (3) Separate the person from his or her post. In other words, if you disagree with the content of the post challenge the thoughts without turning it into a vicious personal attack on the individual. Likewise, don't take it so personally if someone dares to disagree with your opinion. (4) Have a thick skin. (5) Learn how to use your email program to send private replies, when appropriate. I would hope others would have suggestions, as well. Doug (also not being facetious or sarcastic, at least this time) ------------------------------ End words@brothersgibb.com Digest [10/21/2002 18:01] ----------------------------------------------------