Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 22:58:49 -0400
From: Edward Vlasov <middleear@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: This Is Where I Came In out of tune
Wow David, you're absolutely right about "Country Woman", it's enough to turn it right off! LOL
Even though it might have been done on purpose, but in that case the guitars must be playing at the same time,
or else you hear THAT.
While recording "All This Making Love" they recorded Blue 3 times: at normal speed, slightly slower and slightly faster.
Sounds perfect :)
Eddy
Sunday, August 14, 2022, 7:53:53 AM, you wrote:
> I don't have enough awareness of pitch to pick up on an out of tune guitar every time.
> Although, in the song "Country Woman," about seven seconds in...
>
> https://youtu.be/yvtEtV_VU4A
> (A YouTube clip provides a common frame of reference, what with remastered variations -- getting in the way at times*)
> I listen to this with headphones. It has one guitar just on the left speaker. Seven seconds in, a second guitar comes in on the right side.
> Hoo boy, does it sound out of tune!
> Or maybe it's bad placement of fingers on that chord? No idea. But it's awful.
> You know, they pay the big bucks to production and engineering personnel to, among other things, provide a measure of quality control. What happened here???
> But back to your point. The guitar on "This is Where I Came In" has a flaw. It is fixable. Nobody fixed it.
> Sometimes they just leave it that way. "It sounds more real, less polished," that sort of thing.
> Back in the helium years, we are told, Barry went back and re-recorded a vocal track because the breath didn't sound right.
> Compare to "This Is Where I Came In"
> https://youtu.be/5a95WRSWvHA
> Just at 50 seconds in, Barry snuffles. Not quite an actual snort, more of a snuffle, right before "the day turns into night."
> "Go down... Followin' through..." *SNORT!!!* "The day turns into night."
> (Admittedly, I've brought this up before, ages ago. I tend to repeat the same old anecdotes, over and over again. Just ask my family.)
> Barry had a point way back then. Sometimes a breath doesn't sound right, and ya just gotta go back and fix it somehow.
> But who am I to judge? I make snorty noises all the time these days.
> Which makes me wonder: maybe they DID go back and fix it.
> Maybe they redid the track dozens of times. And getting that big old snort down to a mere snuffle was all they could manage. My sympathies.
> .
> David Garcia, who never knew he would end up making those pudgy old man snorting sounds in NYC
> .
> * Why do I use YouTube clips? Because there really are different versions of certain songs -- you can't merely assume that we all hear the same thing:
> Robin is singing at 2:29...
> https://youtu.be/oDztSdH6ZfQ
> Robin is not singing at 2:29...
> https://youtu.be/KYkrW7YpRpg
> ...in "I've Gotta Get a Message to You"
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022, 2:06 AM Edward Vlasov wrote:
>> Anybody ever been bugged the intro is a bit off? Or is just me hearing it all wrong?
>> The acoustic guitar isn't in tune during the intro. Well, actually, more like out of intonation.
>> I don't know what method Mo used to tune his Alvarez up, but if there' s problem with the nut it will sound off.
>>
>> The guitar wasn't too expensive, if I remember correctly it was about $1200, compared to $600 Made In Korea ones by the same brand.
>> So I don't think they used some cheap plastic to make the nut.
>>
>> However, the guitar doesn't seem to be out of tune when other than C major chords are played. That makes me think the slots were not cut
>> deep enough. That forces you to push the string harder in order to reach the 1st fret, which stretches the string and makes it sound sharp.
>> That leaves us with Mo pressing the 2nd string too hard.
>>
>> That price mark tells you the guitar was mass produced, just not in Asia. Cutting a perfect nut isn't an easy task. I'd rather
>> replace a few frets than bother with them nuts.
>>
>> Eddy
>>
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