(#2005-1152) - Topics this issue: 1) "Caged by the Bee Gees. . .", 2) Above the Law / Hideaway videos, 3) Shameless partiality ;), 4) "Caged by the Bee Gees. . .", 5) Shameless partiality ;), 6) Above the Law / Hideaway videos, 7) Above the Law / Hideaway videos, 8) Above the Law / Hideaway videos, 9) Albhy Galuten, 10) Barry & Barbra on ET, 11) Barry & Barbra on ET ..., 12) Barry & Barbra on ET, ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 15:19:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Liu Subject: "Caged by the Bee Gees. . ." Where???? Sign me up! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 20:44:14 +0100 From: "Richard O Donoghue" Subject: RE: Above the Law / Hideaway videos So... You think Robins RINGS AROUND THE MOON is one of the Best Bee GEEs recorded? Richard -----Original Message----- From: listmember@brothersgibb.com [mailto:listmember@brothersgibb.com] On Behalf Of Juan Perea y Monsuwe Sent: 30 August 2005 11:34 To: words List Member Subject: [words] Above the Law / Hideaway videos I watched the mentioned videos on AOL and was amazed by the fun and chemistry. And once again surprized by the quality of the whole production. Now I see how much Barry was caged by the Bee Gees in a way, in the past 15 years, doing albums dominated by Maurice's production tendencies and keyboard playing and Robin's love for Europop. It's like he picked up the thread he left when he last produced Andy -- a subtle magic in the production and melodies, with great hired hands -- that was lost for at least 20 years. Regarding his voice: it's much, much better than showcased on TIWICI, so I am very much relieved (and on Stranger on A Strange Land, it's as good as ever!). I think we all recognize, over the past years he lost a deal of the enormous range and power he had on the Guilty, Heartbreaker and Eyes demos, up till the One for All Concerts, and his voice changed (the whispery parts might be a cover up, or a style -- we'd have to see him live, to determine). I am just thrilled he finally is back at doing what he does best: creating magic. "Hideaway" is the best track I heard, since Rings Around The Moon! -- Juan "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) http://www.brothersgibb.com To change any of your list options, please go to website listed above. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:02:42 +0200 From: Juan Perea y Monsuwe Subject: Shameless partiality ;) >The idea that Barry's musical >ideas and abilities were stunted while working with R&M seems to me a highly >dubious assertion. > >Once again Juan, I believe your partiality to the Barry/Karlbhy albums are >getting in the way of your objectivity. Sal, The point I wanted to make, was, that in the past string of Bee Gees albums, there was no room for Barry to do the (in my opinion, wonderful) stuff he is doing on the Guilty pleasures project now. Okay, because TIWICI was a sort of Two Years On revisited, he came up with more extravagant tracks like Technicolour Dreams and the suave Loose Talk Costs Lives (that is reminiscent of the songs he wrote for Barbra now). I really believe Barry's heart lies in this type of music, and albums like After Dark and Guilty he co-produced, and was the main driving force behind. Of course, I agree with Joe too, who says: it wasn't 1981 for a long time anymore, but why is it then, that Barry suddenly releases a string of "1980-type" songs, now he had carte blanche? I didn't mean it is a Maurice critique, but I guess, that in the creative process, when they came together to write songs, he became dominant with his synthesizer -- at least from ESP on. And we all know that the Bee Gees demos are quite similar to the final record -- they always have been. And on the past 20 years of Bee Gees studio albums there is no question of session cats anymore, Maurice's love for synths made him a prominent player on almost every song. In my honest opinion, it didn't add a lot to the variety of the Bee Gees sound. You may find it partial, but many people on this planet recognize the Bee Gees sound, as being the one from the Barry/ Karhlby production team. Together with the Abba sound, it is the most powerful and intriguing one around, instantly recognizable. Once you're used to such a standard, any step back might be hard to take. Of course Barry is responsible for this direction as well. Like Joe said, he can write in the Bee Gees tradition and manner and compromise to a Bee Gees song... and then there suddenly is the Guilty Pleasures side of Barry. Maybe Robin and Maurice should have okayed his desire to do these projects back in 1997 and everyone would have benefited? -- Juan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 13:23:52 -0700 From: "Kelly Curd" Subject: Re: "Caged by the Bee Gees. . ." Now, now...no need to start sharing our Bee Gee fantasies.... ;-) >Subject: [words] "Caged by the Bee Gees. . ." > Where???? Sign me up! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 21:29:03 +0100 From: "Richard O Donoghue" Subject: RE: Shameless partiality ;) So... why didn't Barry just quit the Bee Gees and let Robin and Maurice carry on as Bee Gees? Or did Barry not want there to be a Bee Gees without him. I suspect that Barry would not be too pleased for the brothers to carry on as Bee Gees. Richard -----Original Message----- From: listmember@brothersgibb.com [mailto:listmember@brothersgibb.com] On Behalf Of Juan Perea y Monsuwe Sent: 30 August 2005 21:03 To: words List Member Subject: [words] Shameless partiality ;) >The idea that Barry's musical >ideas and abilities were stunted while working with R&M seems to me a highly >dubious assertion. > >Once again Juan, I believe your partiality to the Barry/Karlbhy albums are >getting in the way of your objectivity. Sal, The point I wanted to make, was, that in the past string of Bee Gees albums, there was no room for Barry to do the (in my opinion, wonderful) stuff he is doing on the Guilty pleasures project now. Okay, because TIWICI was a sort of Two Years On revisited, he came up with more extravagant tracks like Technicolour Dreams and the suave Loose Talk Costs Lives (that is reminiscent of the songs he wrote for Barbra now). I really believe Barry's heart lies in this type of music, and albums like After Dark and Guilty he co-produced, and was the main driving force behind. Of course, I agree with Joe too, who says: it wasn't 1981 for a long time anymore, but why is it then, that Barry suddenly releases a string of "1980-type" songs, now he had carte blanche? I didn't mean it is a Maurice critique, but I guess, that in the creative process, when they came together to write songs, he became dominant with his synthesizer -- at least from ESP on. And we all know that the Bee Gees demos are quite similar to the final record -- they always have been. And on the past 20 years of Bee Gees studio albums there is no question of session cats anymore, Maurice's love for synths made him a prominent player on almost every song. In my honest opinion, it didn't add a lot to the variety of the Bee Gees sound. You may find it partial, but many people on this planet recognize the Bee Gees sound, as being the one from the Barry/ Karhlby production team. Together with the Abba sound, it is the most powerful and intriguing one around, instantly recognizable. Once you're used to such a standard, any step back might be hard to take. Of course Barry is responsible for this direction as well. Like Joe said, he can write in the Bee Gees tradition and manner and compromise to a Bee Gees song... and then there suddenly is the Guilty Pleasures side of Barry. Maybe Robin and Maurice should have okayed his desire to do these projects back in 1997 and everyone would have benefited? -- Juan "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) http://www.brothersgibb.com To change any of your list options, please go to website listed above. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:58:55 +0200 From: "Per Bausager" Subject: RE: Above the Law / Hideaway videos Joe, when I cannot Give You My Love waw released you wrote that it was a song that Barry could write while sleeping, and that you thought he had something better in the sleeve. I things this new stuff proves you were right, Per >From: Joseph Brennan >Reply-To: words@brothersgibb.com >To: "words List Member" >Subject: [words] Above the Law / Hideaway videos >Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 14:39:50 -0400 > >Sal thought... >>Once again Juan, I believe your partiality to the Barry/Karlbhy albums >>are getting in the way of your objectivity. > >...as in... >>It's like he picked up >>the thread he left when he last produced Andy -- a subtle magic in the >>production and melodies, with great hired hands -- that was lost for at >>least 20 years. > >I agree with most of this, but you know it's not 1981 any more! I had >hoped that I wouldn't have to hear that annoying electronic piano any >more, for one thing. > > >Back to Sal... >>I suspect Barry was always the dominating force on their albums and >>led all of their projects in all periods. How dominating his influence >>I would guess depended on which album or period one would refer to, >>as it seemed R & M's activity tended to vary > >Again I think so too. But in a different way I think Barry was influenced >by working with R & M, and that was his desire to write songs for group >singing or even to craft songs that would sound good for R and M lead >vocals. To me, on TIWICI, the songs Barry did solo were more creative >than things like "Wedding day" or "Extra mile" that sound like Barry >writing Bee Gees songs and getting pretty tired of it. Not that the >"B R & M" is false, but with Barry's energy and speed at writing I >think he did most of the work on those songs. What do I know. But >that was the impression I got. > >So like Juan "I see how much Barry was caged by the Bee Gees in a way". > > >Joe Brennan > > > > >"Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) >http://www.brothersgibb.com > >To change any of your list options, >please go to website listed above. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:20:23 EDT From: Compoccias@aol.com Subject: Re: Above the Law / Hideaway videos In a message dated 8/30/2005 2:40:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, brennan@columbia.edu writes: So like Juan "I see how much Barry was caged by the Bee Gees in a way". Joe Brennan > Once again, though when do you define Barry being "caged in"? Was he caged in or handcuffed on SIZE when it seemed everything they did came out terrific and it seemed like a real group effort? Or was he stunted on Still Waters where he appeared to have his own way for the most part? I agree with the lack of enthusiasm and creativity on a couple of the last songs they wrote together around the time of TIWICI, but I suspect that Barry was just tired of working in the group at that point and some of the songs they did were a little stale I guess. Nevertheless, I can't see Barry allowing his creativity and songwriting ability to be compromised for 20 years in order to placate R&M. I don't think he was that deferential to his younger brothers. Last thought: the Bee Gees recordings remained very good, and sometimes were great the last 20 years. I also don't view it as Barry needing to get back to 1981 to write and produce high quality records. Sal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 17:23:02 EDT From: Compoccias@aol.com Subject: Re: Above the Law / Hideaway videos In a message dated 8/30/2005 3:45:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, richdon49@iol.ie writes: So... You think Robins RINGS AROUND THE MOON is one of the Best Bee GEEs recorded? Richard > I wouldn't call it Robin's song. It is credited to BR&M and it sounds like a song they wrote for Robins lead vocal in mind, but not necessarily a Robin song. I suspect a group effort here. sal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:44:55 +0100 From: settyr@aciworldwide.com Subject: Albhy Galuten I know that Barry and Albhy Galuten aren't working with each other, but I sure can hear him on the Streisand tracks! Kilburn Towrs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:54:52 EDT From: DI2CABG@aol.com Subject: Barry & Barbra on ET I have the video clip of Barry & Barbra from Entertainment Tonight that aired last night--saved to my computer. If there's anyone who missed it or was unable to view the program, I could post a link so you can download it for yourself. But I need to know... a) Chris, am I allowed to do that? I haven't been around these parts for so long, I confess I'm not sure what goes anymore! b) Is anyone interested? Let me know and I'll be happy to pass it along. Di...still in NJ...where it's good to see Barry back to work again! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:14:13 +0000 From: "Janel Clayton" Subject: Barry & Barbra on ET ... So did anyone (besides myself and Di in NJ) catch Barry and Barbra on ET last night? The fact "ET" showed the Barry/Barbra segment near the end of the show indicates, at least to me (a former television news producer), the "ET" folks knew that a good deal of people would tune in for that part. There's something to be said about keeping the best for last when stacking a show such as "ET". I've also been getting a lot of hits lately when I do searches in Yahoo and Google. It is wonderful to see the Barry/Barbra collaboration getting a decent amount of American Press. Robin's shows in Asia are getting a lot of local press over there too; thanks to the internet and/or the people posting them to this list we can read them as if they were our own local paper. Don't get me wrong, a lot of what was said on the ET Segment the vast majority of us knew already. And the Robin articles are not revealing much new either. But it's great to see Barry and Robin getting on with their lives and from the looks of things, having some fun. Would I like Barry and Robin to work together instead ??? of course. But if this is the way it has to be right now, then so be it. Janel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 19:50:11 -0400 From: "BK Netherland" Subject: Re: Barry & Barbra on ET I'm interested, Di. I missed it last night and have been kicking myself every since then. I thought it came on at 7:30 but it was actually at 7:00. If Chris does mind the link being posted, could you email it to me privately at bknet@alltel.net. Thanks, Kathy N. ------------------------------ End words@brothersgibb.com Digest [08/30/2005 21:01] ----------------------------------------------------