words@brothersgibb.com message digest 06/06/2014 00:01 (#2014-5249)

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1Reviews / Venuesmcmanus.kevin@gmail.com
2Reviews / Venuesgarcia10303@gmail.com
3Reviews / Venuesjulesbrenner_rn@yahoo.com
4A Postcard from LAdewilson@sbcglobal.net
5A Postcard from LAmarjlarue@gmail.com
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7A Postcard from LAmarjlarue@gmail.com
8Reviews / Venuesmcmanus.kevin@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:44:56 -0400 From: Kevin McManus <mcmanus.kevin@gmail.com> Subject: Reviews / Venues Reading the review of the Hollywood Bowl concert in the LA Times (online) and some of the major newspapers from other cities, I found myself wondering: did any of the big New York City papers carry a review of the Jones Beach Concert, either in a print edition or online? I certainly didn't see anything in the NY Times, and a quick search shows nothing in either the NY Post or the Daily News. I know there was a review in Newsday, a Long Island paper that finally gave up on its efforts to produce a Manhattan edition in the mid-1990s. But no word of the concert seems to have made it across the East River. As Lawrence mentioned, advertising was minimal, but I have no idea what kind of advertising works for pop concerts these days. For a time, an ad for the concert did run on the little TV screens in taxis. My point, I guess, is that I remain baffled by the thinking behind the choice of venue --- though I have to assume money was a motivating factor, perhaps more (I hope) for LiveNation than for Barry. The concert at the Hollywood Bowl generated about as much buzz as one could reasonably expect, but the Jones Beach show was a wasted opportunity. It's true that I'm provincial in my attitude towards New York City, but if you're going to have shows in Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los Angeles, then why not New York itself? The timing at the beginning of Memorial Day weekend would still have been bad, but at least, for a day, Barry would have generated a little ripple of publicity. Any ripples generated at Jones Beach soon get lost in international waters. I don't know if there would have been many celebrities; Alec Baldwin was at the Paul McCartney concert I attended at CitiField in 2009 -- assuming he's not currently in jail, maybe he could have attended. By the way, I lived in Wantagh for the first 13 years of my life, so I feel justified in comparing it unfavorably to Manhattan as a springboard to generating a little publicity. (Though, to be fair, Joey Buttafuoco did achieve fame just a couple of towns to the west.) The rain and the cold were unfortunate, but that's how it goes. (Robert Windermann's photos of the Jones Beach soundcheck on the GSI Facebook page gives a sense of how dreary the day was, though things had dried out pretty well by the time I arrived for the concert -- though eventually the rain started up again.) I'm happy I went and I enjoyed the concert a great deal. And I'm lucky that I was able even to see a show, which so many people were unable to do. But it just seems to me that somebody did Barry a disservice --- either the promoters or maybe Barry himself or maybe some combination of people and business interests --- by booking the concert in that godforsaken sandy wilderness. Kevin Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:57:33 -0400 From: David Garcia <garcia10303@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Reviews / Venues For weeks, nearly every website I visited seemed to have a display ad for the concert. Probably due to most of my Gmail activity being Gibb-related these days... David Garcia, who is apparently too predictable to online ad software for his own good in NYC On Jun 5, 2014 9:45 PM, "Kevin McManus" wrote: > Reading the review of the Hollywood Bowl concert in the LA Times (online) > and some of the major newspapers from other cities, I found myself > wondering: did any of the big New York City papers carry a review of the > Jones Beach Concert, either in a print edition or online? I certainly > didn't see anything in the NY Times, and a quick search shows nothing in > either the NY Post or the Daily News. I know there was a review in > Newsday, a Long Island paper that finally gave up on its efforts to produce > a Manhattan edition in the mid-1990s. But no word of the concert seems to > have made it across the East River. > > As Lawrence mentioned, advertising was minimal, but I have no idea what > kind of advertising works for pop concerts these days. For a time, an ad > for the concert did run on the little TV screens in taxis. > > My point, I guess, is that I remain baffled by the thinking behind the > choice of venue --- though I have to assume money was a motivating factor, > perhaps more (I hope) for LiveNation than for Barry. The concert at the > Hollywood Bowl generated about as much buzz as one could reasonably expect, > but the Jones Beach show was a wasted opportunity. > > It's true that I'm provincial in my attitude towards New York City, but if > you're going to have shows in Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los > Angeles, then why not New York itself? The timing at the beginning of > Memorial Day weekend would still have been bad, but at least, for a day, > Barry would have generated a little ripple of publicity. Any ripples > generated at Jones Beach soon get lost in international waters. I don't > know if there would have been many celebrities; Alec Baldwin was at the > Paul McCartney concert I attended at CitiField in 2009 -- assuming he's not > currently in jail, maybe he could have attended. > > By the way, I lived in Wantagh for the first 13 years of my life, so I feel > justified in comparing it unfavorably to Manhattan as a springboard to > generating a little publicity. (Though, to be fair, Joey Buttafuoco did > achieve fame just a couple of towns to the west.) > > The rain and the cold were unfortunate, but that's how it goes. (Robert > Windermann's photos of the Jones Beach soundcheck on the GSI Facebook page > gives a sense of how dreary the day was, though things had dried out pretty > well by the time I arrived for the concert -- though eventually the rain > started up again.) > > I'm happy I went and I enjoyed the concert a great deal. And I'm lucky > that I was able even to see a show, which so many people were unable to do. > But it just seems to me that somebody did Barry a disservice --- either > the promoters or maybe Barry himself or maybe some combination of people > and business interests --- by booking the concert in that godforsaken sandy > wilderness. > > Kevin > > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:11:55 -0500 From: Julie Brenner <julesbrenner_rn@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Reviews / Venues I didn't see anything in the Chicago a Tribune about the concert after. Nary= a word that it even existed or had a good turn out or basically nothing.=20= One would think there would have been more advertising though I did see a bi= llboard about the Mythology Tour concert and date. That was it. Saw most adv= ertising thru GSI site then anywhere else.=20 Julie Sent from my iPhone=20 Forever Jules > On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:44 PM, Kevin McManus wrote:= >=20 > Reading the review of the Hollywood Bowl concert in the LA Times (online) > and some of the major newspapers from other cities, I found myself > wondering: did any of the big New York City papers carry a review of the > Jones Beach Concert, either in a print edition or online? I certainly > didn't see anything in the NY Times, and a quick search shows nothing in > either the NY Post or the Daily News. I know there was a review in > Newsday, a Long Island paper that finally gave up on its efforts to produc= e > a Manhattan edition in the mid-1990s. But no word of the concert seems to= > have made it across the East River. >=20 > As Lawrence mentioned, advertising was minimal, but I have no idea what > kind of advertising works for pop concerts these days. For a time, an ad > for the concert did run on the little TV screens in taxis. >=20 > My point, I guess, is that I remain baffled by the thinking behind the > choice of venue --- though I have to assume money was a motivating factor,= > perhaps more (I hope) for LiveNation than for Barry. The concert at the > Hollywood Bowl generated about as much buzz as one could reasonably expect= , > but the Jones Beach show was a wasted opportunity. >=20 > It's true that I'm provincial in my attitude towards New York City, but if= > you're going to have shows in Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, and Los > Angeles, then why not New York itself? The timing at the beginning of > Memorial Day weekend would still have been bad, but at least, for a day, > Barry would have generated a little ripple of publicity. Any ripples > generated at Jones Beach soon get lost in international waters. I don't > know if there would have been many celebrities; Alec Baldwin was at the > Paul McCartney concert I attended at CitiField in 2009 -- assuming he's no= t > currently in jail, maybe he could have attended. >=20 > By the way, I lived in Wantagh for the first 13 years of my life, so I fee= l > justified in comparing it unfavorably to Manhattan as a springboard to > generating a little publicity. (Though, to be fair, Joey Buttafuoco did > achieve fame just a couple of towns to the west.) >=20 > The rain and the cold were unfortunate, but that's how it goes. (Robert > Windermann's photos of the Jones Beach soundcheck on the GSI Facebook page= > gives a sense of how dreary the day was, though things had dried out prett= y > well by the time I arrived for the concert -- though eventually the rain > started up again.) >=20 > I'm happy I went and I enjoyed the concert a great deal. And I'm lucky > that I was able even to see a show, which so many people were unable to do= . > But it just seems to me that somebody did Barry a disservice --- either > the promoters or maybe Barry himself or maybe some combination of people > and business interests --- by booking the concert in that godforsaken sand= y > wilderness. >=20 > Kevin >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com=20 >=20 > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 19:31:59 -0700 From: Doug Wilson <dewilson@sbcglobal.net> Subject: A Postcard from LA Scattershooting, while wondering "Whatever happened to Geoff Bridgeford?": Attending a concert at the Hollywood Bowl wasn't on my bucket list, but I'm= retroactively adding it and checking it off. What a great venue! Based on reviews and comments for the first five shows, my expectations wer= e high for the concert in LA. Those expectations were exceeded. Barry's vocals were strong throughout the night, except for a couple of pub= erty flashbacks during "With the Sun in my Eyes". The band and vocalists were absolutely first rate. Samantha's vocals on "End of the World" and "How Can You Mend" were quite g= ood. They were at a higher level when harmonizing with Barry, though. Tha= t may be more Barry's doing...but regardless, it was quite impressive to my= ears. Beth Cohen's performances have been getting a lot of positive feedback, and= rightly so. However, after hearing Leesa Richard's brief turn on "Our Lov= e", I wanted to hear more from her. Stephen was puffing away on an e-Cig while waiting for sound check to begin= . Discuss amongst yourselves. Stephen's vocal style, while not necessarily my cup of tea, seemed to be us= ed effectively. I actually liked him a lot on "Message". I don't think I've ever heard better sound at a pop concert. Kudos to Rand= y Lane. I'm still chuckling at the 2 ladies who were late checking in for sound che= ck. One announced "I'm Robin. She's Barrie (sp?).". Sure enough, their na= mes were on the list. Beverly Burke's middle name must be "Patience". Doug (If I could just get off of this LA Freeway without getting killed or caugh= t) Sent from my Windows Phone= Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 20:40:01 -0600 From: kittyLarue <marjlarue@gmail.com> Subject: Re: A Postcard from LA On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Doug Wilson wrote: > Scattershooting, while wondering "Whatever happened to Geoff Bridgeford?": Wasn't that the drummer end of 70-71? I think that was the drummer in that GTK interview. Why did he leave? Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 19:46:27 -0700 From: Doug Wilson <dewilson@sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: A Postcard from LA I think he hooked up with one of those Maharesh-types, if I recall correctl= y. Doug=20 Sent from my Windows Phone Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 20:50:46 -0600 From: kittyLarue <marjlarue@gmail.com> Subject: Re: A Postcard from LA Good answer. On Jun 5, 2014 9:47 PM, "Doug Wilson" wrote: > I think he hooked up with one of those Maharesh-types, if I recall > correctly. > > Doug > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > -----Original Message----- > From: "kittyLarue" > Sent: =E2=80=8E6/=E2=80=8E5/=E2=80=8E2014 7:40 PM > To: "words List Member" > Subject: [words] A Postcard from LA > > On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 8:31 PM, Doug Wilson > wrote: > > > Scattershooting, while wondering "Whatever happened to Geoff > Bridgeford?": > > > Wasn't that the drummer end of 70-71? I think that was the drummer in tha= t > GTK interview. Why did he leave? > > > -- > Kitt- > > > > "Words & Music", Fans Of The Brothers Gibb ( Bee Gees ) > http://www.brothersgibb.com > > To change any of your list options, > please go to website listed above. Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 22:59:36 -0400 From: Kevin McManus <mcmanus.kevin@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Reviews / Venues David makes a good point about targeted ads. I don't think about them much because I never notice them, either in my Gmail account or on web pages. Guess I'm lucky. Of course, now I won't be able to stop seeing them. Although I mentioned pre-concert advertising, I mostly wonder about post-concert stuff: reviews and what web marketers seem to call "earned media" (you don't "own" it like your web page and you don't "buy" it like advertising). And in the end, what difference does it make? It's not as if Barry is looking to build a career. Maybe it's just me being selfish, as usual. I want him to keep doing things and perhaps even do more. Having people talk about how great he is after seeing a show might help with that. On another note, it was good to read Doug's report from LA. Kevin On Thursday, June 5, 2014, David Garcia wrote: > For weeks, nearly every website I visited seemed to have a display ad for > the concert. Probably due to most of my Gmail activity being Gibb-related > these days... > > David Garcia, who is apparently too predictable to online ad software for > his own good in NYC > > End words@brothersgibb.com message digest 06/06/2014 00:01 (#2014-5249)